Read the books that ARE NOT SUGGESTED for somebody who has started to study. How about the Revelation or Daniel book? Is this information simply based on the Bible like all the Witnesses teachings are said to be? Think about it.
drew sagan
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What Advice Would You Like To Give JWs And Potential Ones?
by minimus inanything you'd like to say???
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Without naming your city, tell us more about it
by JH inwhere i live, you can smell the odor of paper mills.
it's a port city and people speak french here.
i think the average age of people here is one of the higest in canada.. there is a shrine that attracts many tourists in the summer time.
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drew sagan
I live near the great pyramid.
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The LETTER Posted at all Kingdom Halls
by Apostate Kate in.
i know someone here must know about the letter and there is a thread somewhere.
can someone link me to that thread either in pm or here on the new letter posted in all the kingdom halls about them admitting they are not inspired etc ... thank you!
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drew sagan
I'll be at the meeting tonight, If there is a letter, I will find it. More than likely i'll be able to take it beacuse nobody will even notice that it's not on the board.
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Do JWs take Genesis literally?
by undercover inas i grew up as a jw it seemed that we accepted genesis was a literal account with the only question being how long a creative day was.
for the longest time, as best as i can recall, a creative day was considered a thousand years long, based on the ole "a thousand years is as a day to jehovah" rule.. somewhere though, it seems that there was some waffling on how long a creative day was.
especially since science was showing that the earth was millions of years old.. since i've faded i wonder, do jws today consider genesis as a literal account of how things were created, even if they can't explain the exact length of a creative day?.
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drew sagan
JWs interpret the Bible literally when it helps with their particular doctrine. Think about this:
Is it unholy or anti-Christian to view the Genesis account as symbolic? Mabye recounting events differantly that what actually happened (if you believe it happened).
The WT will have you believe that to accept it any other way than literal is wrong. But remember that to interpret it lieterally helps with their doctrine. To interpret it symoblically does not.
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"Misquoting Jesus" - New Book by Ehrman
by sir82 inthis book was just published in the last month or so, i'm about 1/2 of the way through it.. the author describes the difficulty in discerning what exactly really were the original, right-from-the-pen words of the original writers of the new testament.
basically, the oldest surviving manuscripts were written decades, in some cases centuries, after the originals.
all copies were made by hand by untrained amateur copyists for the first 3 centuries after the books were written (until professional scribes started copying).. by comparing the thousands of ancient hand-copied manuscripts that still exist, there have been found anywhere from 200,000 to 400,000 distinct errors in the copying process.
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drew sagan
I posted about this book a little while ago, here's the link
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/103655/1793263/post.ashx#1793263
There is also a link over there where you can hear the author on the fresh air radio program.
I like the book, haven't finished it yet. The book has pros and cons. I totally would not simply take his word on everything. He has written a good book, but I wouldn't call it amazing. It is worthing reading, but don't build your enitre lifes beliefs upon it. He has come to his conclusions, but they are not going to be mine. Each of us has the chioce what to believe and what not to believe. I do think it is a good read, just remember that it's not the only opinion out there. -
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Scientists observe Black Hole's Event Horizon for first time!
by Elsewhere inhttp://www.physorg.com/news9693.html
by a score of 135 to zero, scientists using nasa's rossi x-ray timing explorer have compared suspected neutron stars and black holes and found that the black holes behaved as if each one has an event horizon, the theoretical border from beyond which nothing, not even light, can escape.
the team found that x-ray light emitted from these two types of regions behaved differently.
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drew sagan
Every time I read a new book or article about space and time I realize how much we do not know. Thanks for the story, I enjoyed it.
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The "Evil Slave Class"- Is it us?
by RichieRich inthe bible speaks of 2 slaves.
there's the faithful and discreet slave, and the evil slave.
although the bible only mentions the terms "faithful and discreet slave" twice and "evil slave" twice, the wtbts still likes to put their spin on it, and turn it into 2 classes, the same as the sheep and the goats.
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drew sagan
Remember too that the Watchtower uses the word "Class", not the scripture.
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The "Evil Slave Class"- Is it us?
by RichieRich inthe bible speaks of 2 slaves.
there's the faithful and discreet slave, and the evil slave.
although the bible only mentions the terms "faithful and discreet slave" twice and "evil slave" twice, the wtbts still likes to put their spin on it, and turn it into 2 classes, the same as the sheep and the goats.
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drew sagan
Is it us?
When you accept the Watchtowers view of it, very much so! But when you see the scripture as refering to ALL Christians and not just a selected group, you realize that it applies to individuals and their actions and additudes. This is one of the biggest scare tatics the WT uses. Beware of the "evil slave" class. There are no distinct "classes" of people out there. Instead it is individuals working what they personaly choose to do. -
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Circut Assembly 2006 Notes, Part 1
by drew sagan inmuch is what we are used to hearing, but i felt it was worth it for everybody to know.
theme: .
clothe yourselves with the new personality -col 3:10 .
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drew sagan
Hello to all. Here are all the notes I took for the Circuit Assembly this past weekend. Much is what we are used to hearing, but I felt it was worth it for everybody to know.
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Circuit Assembly of Jehovah's Witnesses
Program 2005-2006
Theme:
Clothe Yourselves With the New Personality -Col 3:10
Saturday Morning:
10:00 – The New Personality Makes Us Different.
Took no notes on this one. Was the new DO introducing himself, cracking jokes, ect. Made a few comments about the program. It was then on to the:
10:15 – Theocratic Ministry School
Same as everybody elses. Of course the talks where much more “refined” than what you usually hear at the hall. Nothing Amazing.
We sang a song, and then moved on to a strange little talk called:
11:10 – Increasing our Share in the Marking Work
A talk, based somewhat upon Ezekiel 9:1-4. This scripture is talking about the anointed. All signs show that the preaching work is going at full speed and not slowing down. The anionted remnant are active. People are responding. For more info on the marking work look to the September 88 Watchtower (can't remember the issue) page 15. Col 3:23, we need to increase our share. We may not be saved if we arn't preaching (not their words of course, but it was implied). 2 Tim 2:15. Here is strange thought that was made “No matter how large and important the religions of this world appear, they are not qualified to give a door step study in the require brochure. (WTF????). We need to qualify to be marked.
11:35 – Dedication and Baptism
Good time to take a nap, day dream, ect.
Afternoon
1:35 – Expierances
I'm guessing the instructions said to have people that used the “good news” booklet. You could tell the brother had some troubble finding people.
1:45 – Symposium: Manifesting Aspects of the New Personality
Part 1: By Proving What One's Own Work Is.
Didn't take any notes expect this quote “Jehovah dignifies us with assigments in the organization”
Part 2: Within the Family Arrangement
here's a crazy quote. “Would Jesus yell and scream at the Bride Class to preach the good news? No! he lovingly has assisted them”
Part 3: With Loyal, Whole Souled Support of the Congregation
7 Ways we can support the congregation: 1. Fulfill assigments in the School and Service meeting. Don't skip out on them 2. Support the decisions of the Elders. Sad to say some have said after a decision “there is no way i'm going to do that”. We don't want to be that way. 3. Cleaning the Kingdom hall and assemblies 4. Report Field service regularly and on time. 5. Attend the full program at conventions. Some skip friday and now even saturday and have only been showing up for Sunday. Don't do this. 6. Contributions to the world wide work, assemblies, ect. 7. Express kindness and compassion to those who are old and weak.
Personally I thought this list was absurd.
Part 4: In the Field Ministry
Because a bad impression is already in the minds of many regarding Jehovah's Witnesses, we must create a “new” impression. People mostly only know us from 2nd hand sources.
Song
2:55 – Discipline Yourself to Meditate Properly.
Discipline is something we should all want. We need spiritual conversation. People in the world don't have discipline. 3 Points. 1. Meditation draws us closer to Jehovah. We have to think. People in territory know some about the Bible but they don't really know. We need DEEP medition. When we read personalize the account. Picture yourself there. 2. New Personality, it will change us. Refine ourselves 3. Meditation helps us to comment at meetings. Not word for word out of the paragraph.
They really stressed hard in this talk about how we need to visualise the account in the Bible. I feel they stress this more than critical thinking and REAL STUDY because they don't want anybody actually getting any ideas. They tell them just to visualise the account, keep their study simple.
Last talk
3:25 Education That Molds the New Personality
Isaiah 64:8 Some of us before we were JW's went to college, it seemed logical. Did that education make us a better person? NO! Compare Jan 8 1987 Awake, with a coment from a reader in Aug 22 87. College is a waste. College dosn't help our personality. These places don't have a spiritual atmosphere. Binge drinking, sex, parties. Evolution is taught there! These institutions fail. Paul “best educated of his time”. Gods word, meetings help shape us. Great quote “Jehovahs Organization is an educational Organization”. We have special schools, Pio Service School, Gilead, MTS. You may be wondering “what about me, i can't go to those”. We have the meetings every week. We must not think “I know better than Gods Organization” or “I've got it right”. Be humble, work for Jehovah. Jehovah trains us.
Well thats day one. When i have time later i will post day two.
My thoughts:
I never realized how much these assemblies are simply a rally for believers. You almost never really learn anything. Instead there is a “us vs. them” mentality that they promote. Everybody is there to simply get excited about being a Jehovah's Witnesses. Gosh!
End of Saturday. Do you have what it takes to hear about sunday? I'll be back later.
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Now on www.reexamine.org - Counsel to Watch Tower Missionaries
by reexaminer inyou can get this on the main downloads page, or directly here: http://www.reexamine.org/images/counseltowatchtowermissionaries.pdf.
contract) between missionaries and the watch tower.
someone would recieve this after completing the giliad training school.. also, we now have the pay attention book, and the od book in polish, as well as german and english.. reexaminer.
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drew sagan
Totally awsome! Thanks so much. Keep up the good work!